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Re: Fun Finds v7.0 - Now with +15% more reposts!
« Reply #480: January 10, 2017, 06:38:31 PM »
Rules Compendium p134 on area effects of spells; the wording seems to retroactively include as an "area effect spell" any spell that has an area in any part of the targeting or effect, regardless of whether it has the "area: x" entry or not.

This allows Arcane Archers in particular a much wider array of spells than was previously commonly defined. Lines, spreads, bursts, emanations, even the haste spell.

probably previously posted and/or known, but I just noticed this for the first time today. I'm slow like that.

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It even counts spells that target multiple creatures and/or objects as an area effect spell.
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« Reply #481: January 10, 2017, 08:19:48 PM »
It even counts spells that target multiple creatures and/or objects as an area effect spell.
Form how it's worded it seems like Chain Lightning would count (but not haste).

It just makes you want to roll up a Mystic Ranger / Arcane Archer doesn't it?
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Hunter's Mercy (Spell Compendium, p. 117)
Transmutation
Level: Ranger 1,
Components: S,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round
Your eyes glow red, but you see the world as normal except when you look at your target. A small glowing dot reveals the creature's weakest point.
This transmutation makes a bow strike true. Your first hit with a bow (not including crossbows) in the next round is automatically a critical hit. If you don't hit in the round following the casting of this spell, the effect is wasted.
It's pretty much always beneficial.
Level 1~5: lose one attack to effectively deal three putting your net gain to +1 over two rounds.
Level 6~10: upgrade to Karoti Resin, -2/+3, net gain of +1 over two rounds.
Level 11~15: -3/+3, no real net change over two rounds but you're guaranteed to trigger in burst-like WSAs.
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Re: Fun Finds v7.0 - Now with +15% more reposts!
« Reply #482: January 11, 2017, 11:55:12 AM »
no, haste should be allowed because it affects multiple creatures who can be no more than x distance apart from each other, which under the 'creatures' entry in the RC seems allowed. unless i'm missing something? (always a possibility)
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« Reply #483: January 11, 2017, 02:21:22 PM »
Quote from: RC135
Unusual Areas
A few unusual area spells have special rules for how the area works
Creatures: A spell with this kind of area affects creatures directly (like a targeted spell), but it affects all creatures in an area of some kind rather than individual creatures you select. The area might be a spherical burst, a cone-shaped burst, or some other shape.
The first chosen target of haste sets the 30ft limit for all other targets which seems like an area (I'd call it more of a range limit through), but more importantly is you can pick and choose which people you play tag with.

Which in hindsight, Chain Lightning is a bad example. You can pick your targets with that one too.
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« Reply #484: January 11, 2017, 08:32:32 PM »
Spells target "enemies within 60 feet" should be ok.
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« Reply #485: January 12, 2017, 12:39:25 PM »
Spells target "enemies within 60 feet" should be ok.
Yeah that should work just fine since "some kind" is included. But Chain Lightning uses primary/secondary targets and "You choose secondary targets as you like" so the Spell's rules exclude it even if you verbally announce your intended to target all possible enemies you can so it was a bad example on my end.

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« Reply #486: January 12, 2017, 12:40:26 PM »
Ah, gotcha.

Thank you - my memory obviously wasn't paying close attention.

Even with those accurate clarifications, that's still pretty useful.
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