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What do you consider to be a "gamer?"

Someone who plays a lot of video games.
0 (0%)
Someone who plays a lot of tabletop games.
1 (2.1%)
Anyone who does either of the above
27 (57.4%)
Someone who understands the nuances of any game.
11 (23.4%)
Someone whose life revolves around some or all games.
8 (17%)

Total Members Voted: 47

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Offline Soundwave

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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #60: December 28, 2011, 11:35:43 PM »
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Now the question must be answered to how regularly one must play to describe their gaming habits in the present tense.

How about a person who may have limited time but plays a game in a "hardcore" fashion, are these people any less gamers then someone who plays more often?

I have and continue to assert that this line of reasoning is too subjective to provide anything meaningful.

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Actually, we can objectively begin to draw a line between the shades of gamers.

Such as gamer being a broad category and their being sub categories of nuance contained therein? Like "subtypes" of gamers if you will?

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Some of it is pointless, but some of it is good discussion.. The prime question is "Is there a difference between people who play games and Gamers? If there is a difference, then at one point does one become a Gamer?"

Obviously, there would be degrees of gamers, just as there are shades of red. But between red and orange there's a threshold where a color stops being a shade of orange and starts being a shade of red. We're simply debating if such a threshold exists for Gamers and what it would be.

An excellent summary. This is also something that has already been mentioned several times previously in this thread I used the word subtypes to describe it.

How do we arrive at a line drawn between shades so to speak?  A more varied poll containing a larger breadth of options concerning playstyles? Playtime? Type of play?

What makes any one of these aspects of gaming more valid then any other?

If some of these aspects are considered less important to qualify for the moniker why? and so on
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 11:42:29 PM by Soundwave »
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #61: December 29, 2011, 12:19:14 AM »
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Now the question must be answered to how regularly one must play to describe their gaming habits in the present tense.

How about a person who may have limited time but plays a game in a "hardcore" fashion, are these people any less gamers then someone who plays more often?

Well, according to the definition you have been flaunting about several times now, if they play games on fairly regular intervals, enough that they can with confidence be said to be one who "plays," then they are a gamer. A person who binges hardcore once in a blue moon does not "play" in the present tense, more in the infinitive tense, so they have and will play again, but they do not "play."

As such, that person is, by what you believe to be enough of a definition, not a gamer, just a person who sometimes games hardcore.
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #62: December 29, 2011, 01:18:33 AM »
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Now the question must be answered to how regularly one must play to describe their gaming habits in the present tense.

How about a person who may have limited time but plays a game in a "hardcore" fashion, are these people any less gamers then someone who plays more often?

I have and continue to assert that this line of reasoning is too subjective to provide anything meaningful.
I don't know what "hardcore" is.  But no one is saying they are not, so what is your point?

And yes, you keep saying that.  And it is constantly clearly demonstrated otherwise.  So drop it, you are wrong.  Every response from every person proves that statement is wrong.

If you think you are correct, demonstrate something.  Take an example and prove it wrong OR provide an example of how or why

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Actually, we can objectively begin to draw a line between the shades of gamers.

Such as gamer being a broad category and their being sub categories of nuance contained therein? Like "subtypes" of gamers if you will?
No.  Subtypes would indicate differences in kind, rather than differences in value.  A subtype of gamer is, for example, a larper.  A larper is not fundamentally more or less of a gamer than any other sub type.

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Some of it is pointless, but some of it is good discussion.. The prime question is "Is there a difference between people who play games and Gamers? If there is a difference, then at one point does one become a Gamer?"

Obviously, there would be degrees of gamers, just as there are shades of red. But between red and orange there's a threshold where a color stops being a shade of orange and starts being a shade of red. We're simply debating if such a threshold exists for Gamers and what it would be.

An excellent summary. This is also something that has already been mentioned several times previously in this thread I used the word subtypes to describe it.

How do we arrive at a line drawn between shades so to speak?  A more varied poll containing a larger breadth of options concerning playstyles? Playtime? Type of play?

What makes any one of these aspects of gaming more valid then any other?

If some of these aspects are considered less important to qualify for the moniker why? and so on
And here you hit on the entire point of discussion.

Intellectual discourse creates the answer.  That's the entire point of discussing it.

I set the entire groundwork of this discussion.  I knew that gamer could mean "person actively playing" and "person with an extreme interest" however it was SneeR who looked at the issue with fresh eyes and said "aha" and came up with something interesting.

It has taken a considerable effort on my part to fight through the morass of anti-intellectual bullshit you have been throwing out.  You (Soundwave) almost trashed what has now become (to me) extremely interesting.  So I am now telling you, you are wasting my time.  And you are wasting the time of everyone here.  That is the number one sin of this board. 

So no snide comments or off topic bullshit.  Participate or go away.

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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #63: December 30, 2011, 03:34:45 AM »
People like us hate to hear about this, but the term was in use long before Gary Gygax was born.

Baseball players used the term 'gamer' for generations to refer to both gritty, hardnosed players, and their favorite (game used) mitt. (Many players played multiple positions, and so would have a variety of gloves, for playing infield, outfield or catcher)

there's even a Minor League Ballclub that calls itself the Gamers.

Rawlings named a series of mitts the Gamer series. Here's an ad
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #64: December 30, 2011, 01:44:52 PM »
So, based on that, I'd say that merely playing games as a hobby isn't a "gamer."  There needs to be some effort made to improve one's mastery of the game.  As a consequence, playing games that do not reward mastery, such as trivia games, does not make you a gamer.

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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #65: December 30, 2011, 09:12:49 PM »
I love being ignored. I want to change my vote :(

And on top from last page I'm not sure that that really 'is how things advance.' Or atleast not for most of the world.
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #66: December 31, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »
I have no idea if you can change your vote. I think not. i don't see a way to, and it's my poll!
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #67: January 02, 2012, 11:50:27 PM »
I love being ignored. I want to change my vote :(

And on top from last page I'm not sure that that really 'is how things advance.' Or atleast not for most of the world.

You can't change your vote.  The software does not track votes other than to tally them. 

And you are right.  Most of the world does not advance with intellectual exchange.

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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #68: January 14, 2012, 11:30:59 PM »
I love being ignored. I want to change my vote :(

And on top from last page I'm not sure that that really 'is how things advance.' Or atleast not for most of the world.

You can't change your vote.  The software does not track votes other than to tally them. 

And you are right.  Most of the world does not advance with intellectual exchange.
It tracks what an individual user voted for (its bolded). I don't know if its doable but all that would be needed would be a check against that for the option to remove a vote, then reset it to as if you had never voted.
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #69: January 22, 2012, 06:35:55 PM »
I consider 'gamer' a pretty broad term. (Though I had never considered sports as part of the milieu until now.)

I'm often surprised at how many people equate 'gamer' with 'video gamer' though.

So, based on that, I'd say that merely playing games as a hobby isn't a "gamer."  There needs to be some effort made to improve one's mastery of the game.  As a consequence, playing games that do not reward mastery, such as trivia games, does not make you a gamer.
If I gain trivia mastery by learning more facts, I win more often. Isn't that a reward?

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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #70: January 22, 2012, 06:53:35 PM »
I consider 'gamer' a pretty broad term. (Though I had never considered sports as part of the milieu until now.)

I'm often surprised at how many people equate 'gamer' with 'video gamer' though.

I think that video gamers have worked hard for that connotation, for better or for worse. You see outspoken video game nerds all the time, see shirts sporting things like "Gamer girl!" complete with Mario's green mushroom, and I'll bring up that there is an actual movie called gamer that essentially glorifies first-person-shooters, for better or for worse (yeah, gonna stay neutral on this topic).

What you don't see is tabletop gamers pouring the same earnest publicity into claiming the title. In fact, I'll admit that D&D was the only tabletop RPG I knew existed before I started playing it at the age of 14. Tabletop games, particularly RPGs, don't come with the same robust market and accompanying resources for in-your-face advertisement (with the exception of D&D, it seems). I actually wouldn't fault anyone who was fully unaware that tabletop RPGs even have a culture, let alone that they would share the same moniker as video "gamers"!
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Re: What is a "Gamer?"
« Reply #71: January 23, 2012, 09:11:09 AM »
If I gain trivia mastery by learning more facts, I win more often. Isn't that a reward?
There's a fallacy in this statement.  If you gain "trivia mastery" by learning more facts, you will not necessarily win more often, because there's just too much random bullshit you can be asked questions about in a trivia game.